tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post2402695841924825..comments2024-03-22T22:37:02.639-07:00Comments on Stephen Williamson: New Monetarist Economics: Regular EconomicsStephen Williamsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01434465858419028592noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-4429188574884324832011-08-28T15:37:43.143-07:002011-08-28T15:37:43.143-07:00Thanks. Obviously he stuck his neck out. The paper...Thanks. Obviously he stuck his neck out. The paper I link to in the PS is regular economics, and it comes up with a much smaller number (0.3% rather than something approaching 3%). In the link you mention, Barro has one paragraph where he does a back-of-the-envelope calculation. That's actually not regular economics, it's actually some b.s., so Barro obviously is not practicing what he preaches. Barring something better, I would go with the estimate in the PS above.Stephen Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434465858419028592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-37703407185187264682011-08-28T11:28:52.427-07:002011-08-28T11:28:52.427-07:00About Barro being 'too careful to stick his ne...About Barro being 'too careful to stick his neck out' with respect to the question of the effects of an increase in the UI duration spell on unemployment:<br /><br />In this piece (http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/barro/files/WSJ%2BUI%2BAugust%2B2010.pdf), Barro states that 'My calculations suggest the jobless rate could be as low as 6.8%, instead of 9.5%, if jobless benefits hadn't been extended to 99 weeks.' <br /><br />And of course, as Barro engages in 'regular economics' as opposed to all those Keynesians, who apparantly engage in irregular economics, he must be right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-32856961219323008522011-08-26T23:37:24.512-07:002011-08-26T23:37:24.512-07:00Try Vedder & Galloway _Out of Work_ for a surv...Try Vedder & Galloway _Out of Work_ for a survey on this topic from some years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-26158234936259469972011-08-26T23:34:29.328-07:002011-08-26T23:34:29.328-07:00This is pseudo-science. Experiments can be run wh...This is pseudo-science. Experiments can be run when linear law-governed physical processes involving natural kinds are involved.<br /><br />It is brain dead nonsense to suggest that there are physical laws of nature involving natural kinds involving unemployment insurance and unemployment rates in different historical situations involving different specific individuals.<br /><br />Barro writes, <br /><br />"All we need now to get reliable estimates are a hundred more of these experiments."<br /><br />If "normal economics" = pseudo-science it's time to smash "normal economics" and try real science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-85174822800970498982011-08-26T00:07:30.598-07:002011-08-26T00:07:30.598-07:00Thanks for the pointer on coordination failure. It...Thanks for the pointer on coordination failure. It a bit sounds like the distinction between failure of a market to clear and clearing of a market at an undesirable price/quantity (possible interpretations of Keynes discussed by Garrison/Meltzer <a href="http://www.auburn.edu/~garriro/fk4splenetics.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-33378036415181846682011-08-25T18:08:43.396-07:002011-08-25T18:08:43.396-07:00Yes, I know that one. That's got another inter...Yes, I know that one. That's got another interesting mechanism, which is human capital depreciation while you are unemployed, and they seem to find it useful in accounting for differences between Europe and the US.<br /><br />Here's another useful point. You would think that optimal UI would be more generous in a recession. That is what these people find:<br /><br />http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~saez/landais-michaillat-saezFeb11UI.pdfStephen Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434465858419028592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-67836322575534795402011-08-25T17:29:45.490-07:002011-08-25T17:29:45.490-07:00Here's the Ljungqvist/Sargent 2002 paper, don&...Here's the Ljungqvist/Sargent 2002 paper, don't know if it was the sort of thing you're looking for. You very well might already be familiar with it.<br /><br />Link is a download:<br />http://goo.gl/9iGQx<br /><br />I don't know of any relevant regression-monkey stuff off the top of my head.Scuttlefishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-85064957917212859502011-08-25T12:39:32.086-07:002011-08-25T12:39:32.086-07:00Here's a post on coordination failure models:
...Here's a post on coordination failure models:<br /><br />http://newmonetarism.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-happened-to-coordination-failure.html<br /><br />I can give you references if you want. Those are actually models where all the prices (if there are any) are flexible. There can be multiple equilibiria, so for example you could be in good equilibrium with high aggregate output and welfare or a bad equilibrium with low output and welfare. Which equilibrium you are in is determined solely by self-fulfilling expectations, if you like. That's very different from a Woodford-style New Keynesian (NK) model, where the prices (and sometimes the wages) are sticky. In the coordination failure model, the problem is that you can be in a bad equilibrium, and everyone would agree that there is a better equilibrium, but you are nevertheless stuck in the bad one. In the NK models, there is an inefficiency in that the prices are wrong - relative to what would happen in equilibrium with flexible prices. You can fix that problem, or at least mitigate it, with monetary policy, subject to the zero-lower-bound constraint on the nominal interest rate.<br /><br />Different models, both called Keynesian, but they work in different ways, with some different implications. You can debate whether either is what Keynes had in mind.Stephen Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434465858419028592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-58317577053538810532011-08-25T11:59:44.021-07:002011-08-25T11:59:44.021-07:00I thought New Keynesian economics was an economics...I thought New Keynesian economics was an economics of coordination failure. If everyone adjusted prices/wages together equilibrium would be reached. Or at least some versions of NK worked like that. If that isn't the case, what are some examples of coordination failure Keynesianism? Clower-Leijonhufvud?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-11044932698874488022011-08-25T11:16:02.521-07:002011-08-25T11:16:02.521-07:00"This is a very one-sided view of the questio..."This is a very one-sided view of the question: increased UI benefits will have incentive effects, as you suggest, as well as demand side effects from increased income..."<br /><br />Sure, there are potentially other things to worry about as well. UI is a transfer. How is that going to affect how people behave in the aggregate? How will the transfer be financed, and how does that matter? And so on. I didn't mean to say those things were irrelevant, I was just focusing on the one particular effect.<br /><br />"More broadly, I think you've been a little unfair toward the Keynesian folks..."<br /><br />I've gone into more detail on this elsewhere. I don't think the irregular Keynesian economics is good science. You need to isolate the market efficiency the government can actually correct, and think about how best to correct it. What the government spends on matters, and there are always opportunity costs to government spending that you have to take into account. A key element is uncertainty about the future. If we are not in a temporary cyclical downturn but are on a permanently lower growth path (which countercyclical Keynesian policy is not going to change) then we have a problem.Stephen Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434465858419028592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-53494793274920859852011-08-25T10:41:52.958-07:002011-08-25T10:41:52.958-07:00I remember Assar Lindbeck talking about this at Fr...I remember Assar Lindbeck talking about this at Friedman's 90th birthday party. His 1997 JEL paper talks about disincentive effects and outright cheating in Sweden's unemployment insurance system. He also says that in a country with a strong work ethic it takes time for these effects to work.<br /><br />Here is a more recent working paper that uses Estonian data: http://www.mtk.ut.ee/orb.aw/class=file/action=preview/id=825506/Febawb70.pdf <br /><br />Of course, in addition to incentive effects on recipients, you have to consider the effects on employers who pay a tax to support the system.David Barkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17243910374364993035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2499715909956774229.post-7405138263350976622011-08-25T09:37:11.148-07:002011-08-25T09:37:11.148-07:00"We know that unemployment insurance (UI) has..."We know that unemployment insurance (UI) has incentive effects. Any serious model of unemployment will deliver the result that an increase in UI benefits - working through a reduction in search effort by the unemployed, or a tendency of the unemployed to become more picky about the jobs they will accept - will imply a higher unemployment rate and longer average duration of unemployment spells. The key question is how large the effect is."<br /><br />This is a very one-sided view of the question: increased UI benefits will have incentive effects, as you suggest, as well as demand side effects from increased income if this is financed by debt. It's not clear why the incentive effect (workers are pickier about jobs) would dominate the demand effect (more jobs available) to push UE up. <br /><br />More broadly, I think you've been a little unfair toward the Keynesian folks with this idea that they're pushing for a free lunch with stories of deficient aggregate demand. I'm sure they all recognize that increased G today (or lower taxes) will have to be financed in the future, hence this involves reallocation of resources over time (more C today, less in the future) but that it's worthwhile because MU(C) is higher today than it will be in the boom years of the future. For example, your two favorite economists, Krugman and Romer, have both been pushing the point that fiscal policymakers should be spending more now while restricting spending (or raising taxes) in the future. <br /><br />- CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com